[Culturechat] response to WesTexas

[Marlene Rodgers]

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WesTexas,

I heartily disagree with just about everything, in fact I think it is 
safe to say everything, you have written but I will just take a stab at 
a few, maybe I can take on the other statements too, given some more 
time in which to do so. Here goes:


seize assets from one group of citizens for the benefit of another 
group of=20
citizens---instead of letting Americans voluntarily donate their time 
and=20
money as they see fit.

Now, What I would love to see is to the ability to donate to war as I 
see fit. Now of course I understand this is not, in real life practical 
as I also understand why services are not practical to be done on a 
donation basis, but perhaps if Americans were see in personal terms how 
much they are spending in this war(not to mention what so many big 
Republican participants and donors are gaining) they would be a little 
less gung-ho about going to war with places like Iraq. The assets are 
presently going from the poor and the middle classes to the very upper 
classes. You may think this is a good idea, I personally think it 
stinks and in long term serves very few, if any.


It seems odd that leftists around the world--including in Oregon--are 
so=20
sympathetic to one of the more repressive regimes in the world

Really?  That does seem odd.  I am a proud Liberal (I'll even take 
Leftist if Liberal isn't quite strong enough for you) and I talk to 
other Lefty Liberals all the time and I never hear any of them that say 
anything that sounds in the least bit sympathetic to Saddam Hussein. 
Now if Rush is telling you Liberals are saying this, don't listen to 
him.  I listen to Rush every so often and he is always saying what 
Liberals are saying and about 99% of the time it is not what they are 
saying. Now I am sure you could come up with some whacko somewhere that 
says he isn't that bad but trust me, Lefty Liberals are not holding 
deep affections for the likes of Saddam.  In fact if Hussein has 
received support from Westerners in the past, it was not from the Left 
but rather from the Right.
Hussein found much support from the Reagan administration and they were 
well aware of the horrible things he was doing to his own people and 
others but they did not seem so very concerned.



As an aside, I do find it odd that leftists in and out of academia 
attack
USA and our military in such vitriolic terms--safely within the borders 
of
land defended by that same military. It is indeed curious that 
boatloads of
leftist academics are not leaving the dastardly USA for the communist 
shore
of Cuba.

Are you sure they are attacking USA and our military?  I hear them 
attacking this administration, an administration that many feel is 
illegitimate to begin with. They are not attacking the USA or the 
military, many of whose past and present members also do not support 
this war.  Why should they leave this country? This country is just as 
much their country as it is yours and they love their country just as 
much as you do.  This is their reason for speaking out. They fear for 
this country, as I do, under this present administration.

Marlene



"A time has come when silence is betrayal. That time is now." Martin 
Luther King Jr.


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<fixed><fontfamily><param>Courier New</param>WesTexas,  


I heartily disagree with just about everything, in fact I think it is
safe to say everything, you have written but I will just take a stab
at a few, maybe I can take on the other statements too, given some
more time in which to do so. Here goes:



seize assets from one group of citizens for the benefit of another
group of=20

citizens---instead of letting Americans voluntarily donate their time
and=20

money as they see fit.


</fontfamily><bigger>Now, What I would love to see is to the ability
to donate to war as I see fit. Now of course I understand this is not,
in real life practical as I also understand why services are not
practical to be done on a donation basis, but perhaps if Americans
were see in personal terms how much they are spending in this war(not
to mention what so many big Republican participants and donors are
gaining) they would be a little less gung-ho about going to war with
places like Iraq. The assets are presently going from the poor and the
middle classes to the very upper classes. You may think this is a good
idea, I personally think it stinks and in long term serves very few,
if any.

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It seems odd that leftists around the world--including in Oregon--are
so=20

sympathetic to one of the more repressive regimes in the world


</fontfamily>Really?  That does seem odd.  I am a proud Liberal (I'll
even take Leftist if Liberal isn't quite strong enough for you) and I
talk to other Lefty Liberals all the time and I never hear any of them
that say anything that sounds in the least bit sympathetic to Saddam
Hussein. Now if Rush is telling you Liberals are saying this, don't
listen to him.  I listen to Rush every so often and he is always
saying what Liberals are saying and about 99% of the time it is not
what they are saying. Now I am sure you could come up with some whacko
somewhere that says he isn't that bad but trust me, Lefty Liberals are
not holding deep affections for the likes of Saddam.  In fact if
Hussein has received support from Westerners in the past, it was not
from the Left but rather from the Right.

Hussein found much support from the Reagan administration and they
were well aware of the horrible things he was doing to his own people
and others but they did not seem so very concerned.


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As an aside, I do find it odd that leftists in and out of academia
attack 

USA and our military in such vitriolic terms--safely within the
borders of 

land defended by that same military. It is indeed curious that
boatloads of

leftist academics are not leaving the dastardly USA for the communist
shore

of Cuba.


</fontfamily><bigger>Are you sure they are attacking USA and our
military?  I hear them attacking this administration, an
administration that many feel is illegitimate to begin with. They are
not attacking the USA or the military, many of whose past and present
members also do not support this war.  Why should they leave this
country? This country is just as much their country as it is yours and
they love their country just as much as you do.  This is their reason
for speaking out. They fear for this country, as I do, under this
present administration.


Marlene



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</color>"A time has come when silence is betrayal. That time is now."
Martin Luther King Jr.



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