[Culturechat] "What has Iraq done to me?" & A Bit of History
Ann Hartmann
ahartmann@mid-mo.net
Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:03:56 -0600
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I am so glad that you are able to point out all of the information you =
have and I appreciate you sending it on to us. My husband read the very =
derogatory letter about the probability of war with Iraq by the Hudson's =
and said that he wanted to reply as to how he feels.
So here it is - "Checking the e-mail I noticed that you sent one to my =
wife. Referring to yours, I must reply. First, we have checked history =
and do not claim there has been no errors in judgment or mistakes, nor =
are we (most) people who bury our heads in the sand. We Americans are, =
and have been a giving people. We are also a people that claim an =
interest in protecting against annihilation of the human race. You do =
not have to love war to protect the greater purpose. I, personally, did =
not like war but served over three years during World War 11 and am =
proud that I was able to do it. I would like to know what the dissenters =
have done to deserve what past Americans have contributed to their =
well-being?! The catch phrase of the day is "It's all about oil". Is =
this clear thinking? How does 9-11 equate to oil? We have, and will =
continue to receive oil, whether we stop Iraq or not. By the way, what =
would you do without oil? Heat, transportation, economy, all require =
oil. Vernon H. Hartmann
----- Original Message -----=20
From: WesTexas@aol.com=20
To: culturechat@untours.com=20
Cc: WesTexas@aol.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:35 AM
Subject: [Culturechat] "What has Iraq done to me?" & A Bit of History
Susan Sarandon appeared in TV ads a few days ago asking the following =
rhetorical question: "what has Iraq done to me?" =20
One could have easily made the same point in the Thirties regarding =
Hitler--and numerous Americans, from Charles Lindbergh to Joseph =
Kennedy, made exactly that point. =20
In fact, Joseph Kennedy, the American Ambassador to Great Britain, was =
described--by the Germans--as "Germany's best friend in London." =
Joseph Kennedy was basically working on behalf of the Nazis to defeat =
FDR in the 1940 elections--when the US was Great Britain's only hope. =
It is also rather interesting that Joseph Kennedy's youngest son--Edward =
Kennedy--is actively opposing President Bush in regard to Iraq. It is =
an interesting historical footnote that father and son--Joseph and =
Edward--actively opposed actions against virulently anti-Semitic =
totalitarian dictators--Hitler and Hussein respectively. Among their =
other goals, Hitler and Hussein were and are committed to the =
extermination of the Jewish people. =20
(I should point out that Joseph Kennedy, Jr., while also an admirer of =
Hitler in the Thirties, was killed in action while serving in the Army =
Air Force in WWII).=20
Following is a fascinating excerpt from the FDR Library of a 1940 =
newspaper column. =20
--J. Brown
The Way of the War- (continued from page 139)=20
Hitler, the great dictator of Europe, finds it necessary to go on =
tour; to visit Paris and to request a conversation with M. Laval. Even =
more remarkable, perhaps, he makes the long journey to the Spanish =
frontier in order to meet General Franco. General Franco has always =
admired Germany as a military machine. Yet it is hard to escape the =
conclusion that Hitler requested the meeting because of his own urgent =
necessity. It will not be surprising to find that the main object was to =
present to the world a picture of Europe well able to settle down =
happily under the new Nazi-Fascist Order that only selfish Britain bars =
the path; that the United States will be prolonging bloodshed if they =
continue to back Britain; and a vote for Roosevelt is a vote for =
continued misery in Europe.
Mr. Kennedy and the President
All this by-play becomes more easily understandable when we know that =
Mr. Kennedy made up his mind some time ago to "get even" with Mr. =
Roosevelt. The ambassador feels that the State Department and the White =
House have slighted him. Instead of accepting without question Mr. =
Kennedy's reports on the way of the war Mr. Roosevelt has thought it =
prudent to send independent investigators to London. One of the most =
important was Colonel "Bill" Donovan, of whom I wrote in these notes at =
the time. Whereas Mr. Kennedy's reports had been blankly pessimistic =
about Britain's chances, Colonel Donovan thought we were "doing fine." =
Unfortunately, it now appears that Mr. Kennedy feels so keenly on the =
subject that he has insisted on returning to the States in time to cast =
his weight into the scales of the election against Mr. Roosevelt. Before =
he left England he had drafted the newspaper articles whereby he will =
justify this step and seek to secure Mr. Roosevelt's defeat.
On the day Mr. Kennedy left England a shrewd old judge of American =
electioneering said the betting had now shortened to even money in the =
race for the Presidency. Can Mr. Roosevelt, with his keen political =
sense and admirable radio personality stop the rot that has obviously =
set in? Can Germany pull another trick at the last minute to make his =
fight more difficult? If Hitler can do so he will; and it looks as =
though it would be a "peace in Europe if only selfish Britain would =
stop" move. We shall know the answers to these questions almost at once. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am so glad that you are able to point =
out all of=20
the information you have and I appreciate you sending it on to us. My =
husband=20
read the very derogatory letter about the probability of war with Iraq =
by the=20
Hudson's and said that he wanted to reply as to how he =
feels.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So here it is - "Checking the e-mail I =
noticed that=20
you sent one to my wife. Referring to yours, I must reply. First, we =
have=20
checked history and do not claim there has been no errors in judgment or =
mistakes, nor are we (most) people who bury our heads in the sand. =
We=20
Americans are, and have been a giving people. We are also a people that =
claim an=20
interest in protecting against annihilation of the human race. You do =
not=20
have to love war to protect the greater purpose. I, =
personally,=20
did not like war but served over three years during World War 11 and am =
proud=20
that I was able to do it. I would like to know what the dissenters have =
done to=20
deserve what past Americans have contributed to their well-being?! The =
catch=20
phrase of the day is "It's all about oil". Is this clear thinking? How =
does 9-11=20
equate to oil? We have, and will continue to receive oil, whether we =
stop Iraq=20
or not. By the way, what would you do without oil? Heat, transportation, =
economy, all require oil. Vernon H. =
Hartmann</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DWesTexas@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:WesTexas@aol.com">WesTexas@aol.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dculturechat@untours.com=20
href=3D"mailto:culturechat@untours.com">culturechat@untours.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3DWesTexas@aol.com =
href=3D"mailto:WesTexas@aol.com">WesTexas@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 01, =
2003 8:35=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Culturechat] "What =
has Iraq=20
done to me?" & A Bit of History</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"TIMES NEW ROMAN"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Susan Sarandon appeared in TV ads a few days =
ago asking=20
the following rhetorical question: "what has Iraq done to =
me?" =20
<BR><BR>One could have easily made the same point in the Thirties =
regarding=20
Hitler--and numerous Americans, from Charles Lindbergh to Joseph =
Kennedy, made=20
exactly that point. <BR><BR>In fact, Joseph Kennedy, =
the=20
American Ambassador to Great Britain, was described--by the =
Germans--as=20
"Germany's best friend in London." Joseph Kennedy was =
basically=20
working on behalf of the Nazis to defeat FDR in the 1940 =
elections--when the=20
US was Great Britain's only hope. It is also rather=20
interesting that Joseph Kennedy's youngest son--Edward Kennedy--is =
actively=20
opposing President Bush in regard to Iraq. It is an interesting=20
historical footnote that father and son--Joseph and Edward--actively =
opposed=20
actions against virulently anti-Semitic totalitarian dictators--Hitler =
and=20
Hussein respectively. Among their other goals, Hitler and =
Hussein=20
were and are committed to the extermination of the Jewish =
people. =20
<BR><BR>(I should point out that Joseph Kennedy, Jr., while also an =
admirer of=20
Hitler in the Thirties, was killed in action while serving in the Army =
Air=20
Force in WWII). <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"TIMES NEW ROMAN" =
color=3D#000000 size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Following is a fascinating excerpt from the FDR =
Library of a=20
1940 newspaper column. <BR>--J. Brown<BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>The Way of the War- (continued from page 139) =
<BR>Hitler, the great dictator of Europe, finds it necessary to go on =
tour; to=20
visit Paris and to request a conversation with M. Laval. Even more =
remarkable,=20
perhaps, he makes the long journey to the Spanish frontier in order to =
meet=20
General Franco. General Franco has always admired Germany as a =
military=20
machine. Yet it is hard to escape the conclusion that Hitler =
requested=20
the meeting because of his own urgent necessity. It will not be =
surprising to=20
find that the main object was to present to the world a picture of =
Europe well=20
able to settle down happily under the new Nazi-Fascist Order that only =
selfish=20
Britain bars the path; that the United States will be prolonging =
bloodshed if=20
they continue to back Britain; and a vote for Roosevelt is a vote for=20
continued misery in Europe.<BR><BR>Mr. Kennedy and the =
President<BR>All this=20
by-play becomes more easily understandable when we know that Mr. =
Kennedy made=20
up his mind some time ago to "get even" with Mr. Roosevelt. The =
ambassador=20
feels that the State Department and the White House have slighted him. =
Instead=20
of accepting without question Mr. Kennedy's reports on the way of the =
war Mr.=20
Roosevelt has thought it prudent to send independent investigators to =
London.=20
One of the most important was Colonel "Bill" Donovan, of whom I wrote =
in these=20
notes at the time. Whereas Mr. Kennedy's reports had been blankly =
pessimistic=20
about Britain's chances, Colonel Donovan thought we were "doing =
fine." =20
Unfortunately, it now appears that Mr. Kennedy feels so keenly on the =
subject=20
that he has insisted on returning to the States in time to cast his =
weight=20
into the scales of the election against Mr. Roosevelt. Before he left =
England=20
he had drafted the newspaper articles whereby he will justify this =
step and=20
seek to secure Mr. Roosevelt's defeat.<BR><BR>On the day Mr. Kennedy =
left=20
England a shrewd old judge of American electioneering said the betting =
had now=20
shortened to even money in the race for the Presidency. Can Mr. =
Roosevelt,=20
with his keen political sense and admirable radio personality stop the =
rot=20
that has obviously set in? Can Germany pull another trick at the last =
minute=20
to make his fight more difficult? If Hitler can do so he will; and it =
looks as=20
though it would be a "peace in Europe if only selfish Britain would =
stop"=20
move. We shall know the answers to these questions almost at once.=20
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