[Culturechat] Agendas

[tillhouse]

I wish I had your way with words, Vance.  Great replies.

We've been home a month after our Idyll in the Heartland, a week plus on our
own in Alsace and by train down to The Midi to take a self-barge with
friends.  The last was disappointing but that's another tangent story.

In the back of my journal I jotted questions I never got  to ask while in
CH.  Husband is sitting here now editing the video which made me grab the
book and ask????

1.  In the outdoor Ballenburg Museum there were bee houses---not like the
hives in the states.  What are they like inside?   I used to keep hives
doing a poor job and they swarmed to a neighbor's.

2.So  much graffiti. Some quite attractive.  What do the Swiss think of
this?

3.Brooms along the rail tracks mounted on poles.

4.The apprentice program in the schools following the ninth year seems
restrictive to a very young mind.  Is it?

5. How are all the sunflowers used?  Oil?

6. Lots with tall metal poles with small red flanges on top.  Communication?

7.  Are bodies exhumed after seven years to make room for new occupants?
Where do they go?

Many thanks if you can clear these up for me.  Our landlady spoke no English
so we couldn't get our answers then.

Your info re sociological issues is an invaluable addition to the Idyll
lines.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Vance Roy" <gigli.saw@dplanet.ch>
To: "culturechat" <culturechat@untours.com>
Cc: <dasabe@fast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: [Culturechat] Agendas


> Hi Nancy,
>
> Agendas??? You bet your bippy that I have an agenda. Always have and
> hope I always will have one.
>
> Below is your message along with two others that you wrote in times when
> you thought differently. Don't know why your views changed, but that is
> your business and not mine.
>
> If I am one of the "gurus" that you mention, let me enlighten you a bit,
> if I may. I support Idyll (most of the time) because they gave me a new
> life through travel in an unique way. I research the issues that I put
> on the chat, I enjoy a new hobby with my pictures that I post, I learn
> new things about people, I see that some people never change, I make
> many new friends and a few enemies (everyone needs them). I know a lot
> of these Idyll "company" people, and I have known some of them for 20
> years. They are the most unselfish folks you can imagine.
>
> I don't know who started Idyll's chats. I happened upon them several
> years ago. Since I live in CH, I enjoy the proximity to this country
> that few Americans have. I get to read the papers daily, I get to hear
> what the Swiss think frequently, and I get to live the life here. I see
> their conceptions and their misconceptions. It is no Utopia, but it will
> be my home until the crematorium calls. Yes, you are right, I am an
> American, and damn proud of my passport. I don't need to hear from you
> or anyone the malarkey about expats who don't live in the USA. The chats
> have evolved over the years for the better, I believe.
>
> I have been called various things by people over the years. Sometimes
> deserved. Sometimes, I wish I had been quiet, but as one has heard,
> "life is no rehearsal". Anyone who has ever dealt with the public, knows
> that you can't please them all. My skin is thick, but I tend to hold a
> grudge. I don't like ill advised and unfounded crap like I see from you.
> If it stinks, there is only one thing to call it.
>
> You say it is clear that the chats have other motives. I say that you
> need some wipes on your glasses if you think you see clearly. I don't
> claim to be 100% right on things all of the time. I may not always be
> "enlightened", but I think I am closer to the action most of the time
> than you.
>
> Hope you have a grand life with other interests. Try to open your mind
> just a crack.
> **************************
> Your latest
> ***************************
> Amen - a chat room would be more appropriate.
>
> I stopped participating in Untour internet venues because it is clear
> that it is basically self serving.  The "gurus" who write regularly and
> the "company" people clearly have their own agendas for keeping this
> going. Many of their views are less than enlightened.
>
> Nancy
> **************
> A message from you in my files.
> ******************************
> Subject:
> RE: Recent trip to U.K.
> From:
> "Nancy Ziegler" <dasabe@fast.net>
> Date:
> Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:47:47 -0700
> To:
> <BABYK696@aol.com>
> CC:
> <idyllchat@lists.untours.com>
>
> We were also in England and Scotland recently - 6/5 to 6/20.  Scotland is
> remarkable. We did all our travel by car.  Their road system is definitely
a
> challenge.  I guess our frustration was with the fact that we really
needed
> a month to see all the beautiful places in this small country!  The Glen
Coe
> area was so beautiful, as was the area around Loch Ness and our "home
base",
> Loch Rannoch.
>       We also went to Skye - yes, plenty of sheep, waterfalls, and
fantastic
> views.  The only disappointment there was that our second day was so rainy
> and windy that we could not enjoy the rugged views of the area. We stayed
in
> a cottage that Flora McDonald and her family lived in for 7 years.
> Interesting.  Rain followed us everywhere, but mostly off and on.  I guess
> we were being repaid for our last 2 visits when we had not one drop of
rain.
> In spite of the rain we enjoyed every minute of our trip.  More castles,
> lochs, and hills than you can imagine or keep straight in your memory.
>       We visited St. Andrews and Stirling (both must), St. Abb's Head (a
> tiny
> picturesque fishing village, a must for bird lovers), Fort Williams,
Portree
> on Skye, and many other small towns, nestled near lochs or mountains.  Our
> visit to Edinburgh was, of course, interesting.  After so many days away
> from hustle and bustle, there was some culture shock as Edinburgh has lots
> of tourists and many of them American.
>       The Scottish people are wonderful.  I rate my favorite visits to
other
> places by the people and Scotland is right up at the top.
> Our England portion included Chester (a must see town - up there with York
> and Bath), Manchester (experiencing a Renaissance), the Lake District,
> Northumbria and the north east coast (more castles) and Hadrian's Wall
area.
> The most amazing thing to me about Great Britain is that such a great part
> of Western history that we learn about through all our education,
including
> college, happened there.  For years we did all our traveling on the
> continent and, just in the past 4 years have we visited Great Britain.  I
> feel, now, like I am finally learning the history that I missed when I was
> dozing through my Western Civ. lectures in college.
> Anyone interested in more about this trip or others, reach me at my email
> address.  Happy to share and hear from others about their trips.
>
> ****************************
> And another.
> *************************
>
> Thank you for all your info - so glad to see Idyllchat is revitalized.  I
> was close to unsubscribing.  We must be a very thoughtful group since a
few
> grumpy members made us modify our behavior!
>
> For those grumpy users (and some of us too) there are 2 things that work
> really well with an email chat site.  1. the delete key and 2. the
> "organize" feature of most email software, where the incoming emails are
> funneled into a precreated folder based on certain heading criteria.
> Lastly, there is definitely a misconception amongst some of us that we are
> "downloading" when we are opening simple emails.  Some with attachments
fit
> that criteria but not all.  Thank you for the chance to give my little
> lecture.
>
> Hope we get back to the old system. Want to hear points of view from
others
> not just one person.
>
> Lastly, I've wanted to recommend a wonderful magazine to anyone who has an
> interest in any German speaking countries (as well as the German heritage
in
> the U.S.) - "German Life". Untours advertises there.  The articles are
> timely, balanced, and very interesting.  I read it every month - cover to
> cover.
>
> Since I was one of those guilty of replying individually (to Don Snyder
> yet!), and there seems to be much agreement with "Don Snyder's
> recommendation that letters be sent to everyone on Idyll Chat.  It used to
> be such fun to read all the responses...", I'll repeat below, re: the
Rhine
> Tour (though now a bit long in the tooth (2 years):
>
> *************************************
>
> Wonder what changed your mind? Could it be that you have less than
> adequate computer skills? One doesn't need a license for a computer, as
> one does to drive a car.
>
> You remember the mention of the delete key and the organize feature to
> email that you made? Here is a new one: print; roll tightly; choose a
> favorite; you get the idea?
>
> Vance Roy
> ..
>
>
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