[Idyllchat] Re: IdyllChat Digest, Vol 20, Issue 15
Al De Salvo
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Fri Mar 28 21:29:23 EDT 2008
I feel that the security concerns about European travel are way overblown
thanks to some anectodal stories that go around the horn and back again. I
have personally never had a problem any of the times I have been to
Europe--cities, towns or whatever. I just carry the cash I think I need for
the time I am out of my UnTours apartment in a side pocket of my pants.
Passport goes in the breast pocket of my shirt. If I have a jacket, both go
in the inside breast pocket. Wearing a "fanny pack" brands one as a tourist
and just a'int cool....
Al De Salvo
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> 1. Re: Wearing a fanny pack in Paris (Walt Slazyk)
> 2. Anyone here with some India experience? (Amy Gillin)
> 3. Wearing a fanny pack (Rpaul592 at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Wearing a fanny pack in Paris (Pmcgsan at aol.com)
> 5. [Fwd: Re: [Idyllchat] Wearing a fanny pack in Paris] (ptc)
> 6. (no subject) (ron at dworsky.net)
> 7. safety pockets (Jim & Nancy Ibbott)
> 8. Beware! (Rpaul592 at aol.com)
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:18:22 -0500
> From: "Walt Slazyk" <WSLAZYK at luc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] Wearing a fanny pack in Paris
> To: "Idyllchat" <idyllchat at lists.untours.com>, "Bill Kover"
> <ShutterbugBill at verizon.net>
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> I have a number of "travel" garments from TravelSmith. These garments
> have numerous pockets in different places. Some of them have zippers and
> some of them are very, very deep. Others are accessed through slits where
> there are normally just seams. These designs are supposed to thwart
> pickpockets.
>
> I keep items that I need readily in these security pockets when I travel
> and thus I feel my important 'stuff' is safer. Whether that's true or
> not, I really can't say since I haven't traveled to any of the places
> notorious for pickpockets (e.g. Rome). Maybe someone on this forum can
> say if such specially designed garments really prevent theft.
>
> Walt Slazyk
> Downers Grove, IL
>
> p.s. One technique I use when I go into the city (Chicago) is to fold my
> handkerchief over my wallet and put it in my left front pocket. This
> pocket is supposedly harder for right-handed pickpockets to enter cleanly.
> And if they do, they grab your handkerchief instead of your wallet.
>
>
>>>> "Bill Kover" <ShutterbugBill at verizon.net> 3/28/2008 3:44 PM >>>
> Eleanor hates wearing a money belt (or one that hanges from your neck
> under her blouse). She wants to wear a zippered fanny pack when we're in
> Paris.
> I am against it at least for carrying cash, credit cards/debit cards and
> passports. We plan to use buses rather than the metro while in Paris.
>
> Can anyone who has been to Paris give me advise regarding the safety of
> wearing a fanny pack. Maybe I should carry the passports and my credit
> cards in my neck (under-shirt) security pouch and leave Eleanor's copies
> of credit/debit card back in our apartment. Does anyone have any
> alternative suggestions?
>
> Any advise would be appreciated.
>
> Bill Kover
> Piscataway, New Jersey
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:03:09 -0400
> From: Amy Gillin <missalg at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Idyllchat] Anyone here with some India experience?
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> I'm an Untour lover, and would love to see the same concept carried out on
> other continents. (The Vietnam Untour was a wonderful way to visit that
> country, but I can understand how complex it would become for Untours to
> extend like this.)
> Anyway, I'm planning to travel to India for three weeks in July (!) of
> this year, and I was hoping for some help/feedback from this experienced
> list of travelers.
>
> My first question is about a hotel within reasonable distance of Delhi
> Airport that won't cost me, oh, $235 like the Radisson. I'll be getting
> in late on a Friday evening and returning to the domestic airport Saturday
> morning (to go down to Nagercoil.) Ashok Country Resort comes up on posts
> on IndiaMike.com, but that's looking a bit pricey too. I'm hoping for
> maybe >$100, but I may just be being a little too optimistic!
>
> I've already booked the Delhi Bed and Breakfast for when I return there,
> and the Ganges View hotel in Varanasi, but I still have a night in Agra to
> plan for; I'd love to be very close to the Taj (and have tried to contact
> Hotel Sheela without success) as it's going to be a full moon when I'm
> there. (Albeit probably rainy.)
>
> Leh is going to be my last stop--my students voted on this one for me--and
> I'm still quite up in the air on accommodation there, so I'd love to hear
> from anyone who's been.
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> Any other random thoughts, advice, or comments are also welcome...Figured
> since the list hasn't been super busy, now might be a good time to ask!Amy
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:03:22 EDT
> From: Rpaul592 at aol.com
> Subject: [Idyllchat] Wearing a fanny pack
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> Please, please---I would never use a fanny pack to carry anything
> important
> anywhere around people, and maybe not even with the cows. No matter how
> much
> you hate that neck pouch or money belt, it is nothing compared to how
> much
> you will hate losing your tickets or passport! I don't care how many
> times
> you swear you will always keep your hand on it in crowds or will keep the
> zippers just so--pickpockets will manage to get at it. I never keep
> anything in
> mine except for tissue, small dictionaries, etc. I have had these
> dropped to
> my feet numerous times when they have seen what they had, and I never
> felt a
> thing. If it had been absolutely anything of value, I am sure they would
> never have been so nice as to leave it on the pavement. It is a pain to
> wear
> these, especially in hot weather, but never take a chance by carrying
> valuables
> in them.
> Pat Rogers
> Pat Rogers
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:05:55 EDT
> From: Pmcgsan at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] Wearing a fanny pack in Paris
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> All I know is that a pick pocket got me on a metro in rush hour. They
> are
> very clever, a fanny pack is a really bad idea. I like the kind of
> handbag
> that crosses in front of me. The minute you sense pushing and pulling
> you are
> in trouble! Watch out! Last year in Rome getting on the metro at the
> Colosseum a girl had her hand in my husband's front pocket. He grabbed
> her hand
> just in time and she jumped off the train. A close call. I have always
> been
> against him carrying a wallet in his front pocket, he can't help but
> "pat" the
> pocket every 5 seconds to make sure it is still there giving all the
> pickpockets in the area a clue to where it is.
>
> Pat
>
> La Jolla
>
>
> In a message dated 3/28/2008 1:45:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> ShutterbugBill at verizon.net writes:
>
> Eleanor hates wearing a money belt (or one that hanges from your neck
> under
> her blouse). She wants to wear a zippered fanny pack when we're in
> Paris.
> I am against it at least for carrying cash, credit cards/debit cards and
> passports. We plan to use buses rather than the metro while in Paris.
>
> Can anyone who has been to Paris give me advise regarding the safety of
> wearing a fanny pack. Maybe I should carry the passports and my credit
> cards in
> my neck (under-shirt) security pouch and leave Eleanor's copies of
> credit/debit card back in our apartment. Does anyone have any
> alternative suggestions?
>
> Any advise would be appreciated.
>
> Bill Kover
> Piscataway, New Jersey
>
>
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> From: ptc <ptc7770 at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Idyllchat] Wearing a fanny pack in Paris]
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> Should it matter, nothing marks us as American tourists more than our
> huge white sneakers and our fanny packs. It is like being a slowly
> moving target for anyone who wants to attempt to play his side of the
> game. We say here we are and they say "Gotcha," but we always seem to
> start it by the choices we make.
>
> Your wife might look in your local AAA for their travel paraphernalia.
> They carry a money pocket that hangs inside of your slacks by a three
> or so inch clip; it has two zipper pockets, one for your credit card and
> one for whatever. The best part is that it hangs absolutely flat and is
> undetectable. Made by Austin House and costs about $8-12, depending on
> membership or not.
>
> Another option would be to get a travel vest from Tilley or Magellan.
> Although the vest also looks touristy, it doesn't scream "tourist." But
> why do you carry so much stuff with you every day? One of you might
> carry a credit card and the other some money, depending on your plans
> for the day. Make copies of your passport and both sides of your credit
> cards before you leave the US, but leave them in your apartment along
> with the originals. Should you ever need either one in a serious
> situation, you usually can go back to the apartment to get it--or take
> the copy with you if you plan to use it o n a particular day.
> Parisians are usually so well dressed that fanny packs look outre.
>
> Agnes
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> Whatever you decide to do about carrying any type of fanny pack or even a
> purse.........just make sure you carry it in front or you....not on the
> side or your back.
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:40:50 -0300
> From: "Jim & Nancy Ibbott" <jibbott at pei.sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Idyllchat] safety pockets
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> i understand the desire to wear a fanny pack, because it is so convenient
> for your phrase book, raincoat etc. I have a friend who was robbed in
> the Paris metro, card, passport etc/not fun at all, and quite a long time
> to get a replacement card. HE was using a fanny pack,he was facing his
> robber as they both hung on to the overhead strap. Or at least he was, I
> guess the other guy was using his hands for his nefarious purposes. I
> myself was robbed on the #64 in Rome - the thief opened all the zzippers
> on the fanny pack, and then went on to get the money in my security belt
> under my shirt. It is not a nice feeling. Do have a look at Tilley
> endurables. They have very nice slacks and skirts with hidden pockets.
> My friend, who is a good seamstress, sewed little pockets into the
> waistband of her slacks, and used Velcro. I read on this posting of a
> person who used a safety pin to hold aan inside zipper pocket closed.
> Apparentlysafety pins are difficult to undo. i don't kno
> w why these people aren't discouraged more actively by the people around
> them. Be prepared!
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> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:02:56 EDT
> From: Rpaul592 at aol.com
> Subject: [Idyllchat] Beware!
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> Also watch out for anyone approaching you while holding out something in
> front of them. At Notre Dame, children approached us holding out a towel
> spread
> over their arms. The towel had a few coins on it and the children
> appeared
> to be begging. In actuality they use this scheme to push the towel up
> against you so you can't see that an accomplice (also a child) is busy
> under the
> towel going into that darn fanny pack or your pockets. Having seen this
> done
> in both Florence and Rome, we knew what they were up to and didn't let
> them
> get anywhere near us. A couple of years ago in Alsace, we were
> approached by
> a young couple (probably in their 20's) who were holding out an open map
> and
> started to sit or stand next to us and ask for directions on the map.
> All
> our valuables were safely in money belts under our clothes and I had my
> hand
> firmly on the bag I was carrying so they didn't try anything. After we
> were
> approached in three different cities by the same couple holding the same
> map,
> we knew for sure what they were up to. The last time I raised a
> commotion
> and the girl started swearing at me. But, they walked only a few yards
> away
> and started approaching some tourists getting off the city tram tour. I
> yelled to them to watch out and then I really did get cursed at!
> It is a shame you can't feel free to help someone, but......... In
> Berlin
> last year a woman rode up on a bike and she had a map which was folded
> and
> asked if I knew where a certain Metro station was. When I answered her
> question, my granddaughter chastised me because I "talked to someone with
> a map
> asking directions." I had to explain that she didn't have it spread wide
> and she
> didn't shove it up close to my body and she allowed me to stand back from
> her
> and didn't press too close. All indicated it was an honest question, and
> it
> was. If it seems a little too personal and invasive, it probably is.
> Pat Rogers
>
>
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