[Idyllchat] New Heartand Hikes (Bob Johnson)

Tue Jun 26 16:10:01 EDT 2007

Dear Bob,
     Thanks very much for the suggestions about the hikes and even where to find descriptions of them in the Idyll book.  I'm sure our two weeks in the Heartland will be happily full.
  Vail

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: New Heartand Hikes (Bob Johnson)
2. Swissinfo video (Bob Johnson)
3. Re: New Heartand Hikes (robert w. miller)
4. Re: New Hearlant Hikes (Amy Schaffner)
5. Re: New Heartand Hikes (Linda Leon)

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:46:17 -0500
From: "Bob Johnson" 
Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Heartand Hikes
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Vail,

The following are four of our favorite hikes that are in the Idyll book. I've also included the Idyll hike number and page number.

Brienzer Rothorn to Schonbuel D5 p. 22 
Planplatten to Balmegghorn D3 p.19
Grosse Scheidegg to First C5 p.15
Jochpass D4 p. 21

Not in the Idyll book is the Eiger trail which is shown on the Jungfraubahnen map that you can pick up in any station in the Lauterbrunnen/Grindelwald area. This is a superb hike. We start our hike at the Eiger Glacier Station or Kleine Scheidegg and catch the train back to Grindelwald from Alpiglen. 

Vance Roy has been invaluable in providing information on IdyllChat about hikes he has taken. As a matter of fact it was his posting that put us on the Eiger trail a few years ago. He also answered this posting with some great new information. Thanks Vance for all your postings.

Hal Taussig and Ron Fahnestock and did an excellent job on the Idyll book, but it hasn't been updated in a long time. I have written to Idyll and asked that they consider a supplement. It might be compiled from Idylers who have hiked in different areas. 

Bob Johnson

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:57:05 -0500
From: "Bob Johnson" 
Subject: [Idyllchat] Swissinfo video
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Many keep up to date on happenings in CH on swissinfo.org. Part of the website is a video link in the lower left center of the website. Today's video "Climb Every Mountain" is well worth watching. Videos change frequently, so if interested you might try it today or tomorrow.

Bob Johnson
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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:10:51 -0400
From: "robert w. miller" 
Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Heartand Hikes
To: "Bob Johnson" , 
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There is a Sierra Club Tote book entitled "Footloose in the Alps". I was written 25-30 years ago and I doubt that it is still available. However, I gave my copy to Francy Douglas-Breon at Untours several years ago, and it should still be in their files. There is a challenging overnight hike that is best accessed from the Oberland area. It is described in the Sierra Club book and should be considerd as a challenging, overnight hike. Francy might be able to make you a photocopy of the description of this hike.

Go by train to Sierre in the Rhone Valley and there take a postal bus up to the village of Ayer . From there follow a trail across
the Meidpass (8400 feet) and down to the village of Gruben. When we did this hike in 1976, we stayed at the rustic Schwarzhorn hotel. Next day climb up over the Augstbordpass (8700 feet) and then steeply down to St. Niklaus where you can catch the train up to Zermatt or back to Visp and Brig.

This is a tough hike.

Bob Miller
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Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Heartand Hikes

Vail,

The following are four of our favorite hikes that are in the Idyll book. I've also included the Idyll hike number and page number.

Brienzer Rothorn to Schonbuel D5 p. 22 
Planplatten to Balmegghorn D3 p.19
Grosse Scheidegg to First C5 p.15
Jochpass D4 p. 21

Not in the Idyll book is the Eiger trail which is shown on the Jungfraubahnen map that you can pick up in any station in the Lauterbrunnen/Grindelwald area. This is a superb hike. We start our hike at the Eiger Glacier Station or Kleine Scheidegg and catch the train back to Grindelwald from Alpiglen. 

Vance Roy has been invaluable in providing information on IdyllChat about hikes he has taken. As a matter of fact it was his posting that put us on the Eiger trail a few years ago. He also answered this posting with some great new information. Thanks Vance for all your postings.

Hal Taussig and Ron Fahnestock and did an excellent job on the Idyll book, but it hasn't been updated in a long time. I have written to Idyll and asked that they consider a supplement. It might be compiled from Idylers who have hiked in different areas. 

Bob Johnson

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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:40:40 -0600
From: "Amy Schaffner" 
Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Hearlant Hikes
To: rwm1029 at chartertn.net, l.palomino at sbcglobal.net,
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Bob,

I just have to say what a role model you are for me. I am 51 & part of my 
retirement dream is to hike a lot in CH. Thank you for letting me know it 
is possible. I remember one older woman on our Heartland trip a couple of 
years ago. That woman hiked ambitious hikes each day & always looked happy 
but exhausted. I hope I have this to look forward to.

Amy Schaffner

>From: "robert w. miller" 
>To: "L Vail Palomino" 
>,
>Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Hearlant Hikes
>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:14:26 -0400
>
>If open heights don't bother you, by all means plan to do the 3-Canton Hike 
>(page 22 in my adition of the Hiking & Biking Guide) and/or the Creme de la 
>Creme (page 19). I did the 3-Canton hike in 2003 at age 84 and plan to do 
>it again in late July, so you should be able to manage it.
>
>Bob Miller
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> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:01 PM
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>
> This is a message to Bob Johnson, message 6. We will be in the 
>Heartland July 4 - 17, our first time there. You said you have some hikes 
>that are your favorites that you repeat - could you please tell me what 
>some of those are? Thanks!
> Vail Palomino
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> I am not talking about the auto insurance that is inherent in your 
>Amexco
> card. I am talking about their premium insurance which you have to 
>sign up
> for with them. The charge is $25 per rental. It is automatically in 
>effect
> when you charge your car rental with any of the Amexco card.
> Frank and Mary
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> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:18:41 -0400
> From: Jerry Clancy
> Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] Bologna Area
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> John,
>
> Thank you for such a detailed reply and all the links as well! I 
>appreciate you taking the time and effort to send all of it. I have saved 
>it and we will follow up on some of your suggestions. Bologna, despite its 
>fame as a culinary haven, doesn't seem to have much written about it.
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> My group will be returning our rental car to Siena after our Untours 
>stay and traveling onto Rome by train. Is there another place that we could 
>return the rental that would be closer to Rome?
>
> We'll be at the Ada Teresa near Montalcino beginning 9/26/07 and would 
>love to hear from others that will be there then.
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> Diane
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> Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] train to Rome
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> Hi Diane,
> My daughter's mother-in-law and I will be staying at Angiolino near 
>Montalcino from 9/26 also. Don't know about the car thing near Rome as we 
>are dropping ours in Florence so we can spend the last couple of days 
>there.
> The IdyllChatters are such a great resource, I'm sure someone can 
>help.
> Janet
>
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> My group will be returning our rental car to Siena after our Untours 
>stay and traveling onto Rome by train. Is there another place that we could 
>return the rental that would be closer to Rome?
>
> We'll be at the Ada Teresa near Montalcino beginning 9/26/07 and would 
>love to hear from others that will be there then.
>
> Diane
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:34:08 -0500
> From: "Bob Johnson"
> Subject: [Idyllchat] New Heartland Hikes?
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> In preparing for our return to the Heartland this year, we are trying 
>to assemble a list of new hikes that aren't in the Idyll Hiking and Biking 
>Guide. We've taken most of those and have many favorites that we take again 
>and again, but we always like to explore new possibilities.
>
> One area that we are researching is the Andermatt/Goschenen area. Has 
>anyone hiked out of Andermatt on day hikes -- if so, where and how long are 
>they? In addition to mountains, I understand that Teufelsbrucke bridge and 
>Schollenen Canyon are interesting.
> Thanks
>
> Bob Johnson
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:39:47 -0400
> From: Vance Roy
> Subject: Re: [Idyllchat] New Heartland Hikes?
> To: "Bob Johnson"
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> I have not done this yet, but there is a hike out of Goeschenen that
> sounds good. I think you take a bus to get to the start and then go
> for the Goeschenensee. Another is out of Meiringen to the Gelmersee
> and around it. Take a postal bus in the direction of the Grimsel Pass
> and get off at Handeck. Across the road and up a path about 5 min. is
> the funicular ride up. I think that they have also an over-road
> walkway now from the hotel at Handeck. The round the lake walk is
> fantastic. See pics below.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291529425
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Bob Johnson wrote:
>
> > In preparing for our return to the Heartland this year, we are
> > trying to assemble a list of new hikes that aren't in the Idyll
> > Hiking and Biking Guide.
> >
>
> Vance Roy
> gigli.saw at dplanet.ch
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> Does anybody care what Jesse Jackson thinks?
> AJC Vent
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: alan rudolph
> Subject: [Idyllchat] train to Rome
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> Diane,
> My friend and I were in Tuscany South 3 years ago and we dropped off 
>our rental car in Chuisi. The Avis rental shop was right across the street 
>from the train station. We dropped ours off before the shop was open, so 
>they told us to drop the keys off in the cafe bar next door! We left the 
>keys there and the car in the Avis parking lot and everything worked out 
>fine. I think the ride to Rome was about 1 1/2 hours. The drive to Chuisi 
>from Torreneri (near Buonconvento ) was about 1 hour ( in a heavy dense 
>fog, I might add:) ). We were there the first 2 weeks in Sept. Just an 
>afterthought about the train.....don't expect any help from any porters or 
>Italian gentlemen with your bags. They will look at you but won't offer to 
>help. We did have a kind hiker from the Netherlands that did give us a 
>hand. Of course we overpacked......a mistake we won't make again. Have fun.
>
> Donna
> Michigan
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> From: Jerry Clancy
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:14:17 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
> From: "haggart"
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> To: , "alan rudolph"
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> Donna used the same place that we used before going to Rome - Chuisi 
>is very
> convenient and as she says the rental place is right across from the 
>train
> station and there is gas station a block further up that street to top 
>off
> the tank!
>
> But for the final say in all of this - check with your Untour Italy
> representatives in Media, PA for the latest information on places that 
>you
> can leave your car - these things do change and they always have the 
>latest
> information on these types of questions.
>
> So give Untours a toll free call and clear that question up - and 
>report
> back to the rest of us!
>
> Pete
>
> Peter and Margaret Haggart
> haggart at moscow.com
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: alan rudolph
> Date: 6/24/2007 1:41:02 PM
> To: idyllchat at lists.untours.com
> Subject: [Idyllchat] train to Rome
>
> Diane,
> My friend and I were in Tuscany South 3 years ago and we dropped off
> our rental car in Chuisi. The Avis rental shop was right across the 
>street
> from the train station. We dropped ours off before the shop was open, 
>so
> they told us to drop the keys off in the cafe bar next door! We left 
>the
> keys there and the car in the Avis parking lot and everything worked 
>out
> fine. I think the ride to Rome was about 1 1/2 hours. The drive to 
>Chuisi
> from Torreneri (near Buonconvento ) was about 1 hour ( in a heavy 
>dense fog
> I might add:) ). We were there the first 2 weeks in Sept. Just an
> afterthought about the train.....don't expect any help from any 

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