From gigli.saw@dplanet.ch Sat May 29 20:41:41 2004 From: gigli.saw@dplanet.ch (Vance Roy) Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 21:41:41 +0200 Subject: [Culturechat] Does this ring any bells? Message-ID: <354A769C-B1A8-11D8-94AF-0003936A3F2E@dplanet.ch> >> >> >> The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to >> generation, says that, "When you discover that you are riding a dead >> horse, the best strategy is to dismount. "However, in government, >> education, and in corporate America, more advanced strategies are >> often employed, such as: >> >> 1. Buying a stronger whip. >> >> 2. Changing riders. >> >> 3. Appointing a committee to study the horse. >> >> 4. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride >> horses. >> >> 5. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included. >> >> 6. Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired. >> >> 7. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse. >> >> 8. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed. >> >> 9. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead >> horse's performance. >> >> 10. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve >> the dead horse's performance. >> >> 11. Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is >> less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes >> substantially >> more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses. >> >> 12. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses. >> >> And of course my favorite........... >> >> 13. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position. >> ************************************************ >>   > > > Vance Roy gigli.saw@dplanet.ch http://homepage.mac.com/fredch Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming WOW What a Ride! From WesTexas@aol.com Mon May 31 18:50:33 2004 From: WesTexas@aol.com (WesTexas@aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 13:50:33 EDT Subject: [Culturechat] Swiss Analysis of Iraq & Peak World Oil Production Message-ID: <1e1.21fb981c.2decca69@aol.com> --part1_1e1.21fb981c.2decca69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php This is a very good summary of the geopolitical aspects of Iraq and Peak Oil, from a Swiss online journal. J. Brown Excerpts: "It is increasingly clear that the US occupation of Iraq is about control of global oil resources. Control, however, in a situation where world oil supplies are far more limited than most of the world has been led to believe. If the following is accurate, the Iraq war is but the first in a major battle over global energy resources, a battle which will be more intense than any oil war to date. The stakes are highest. It is about fixing who will get how much oil for their economy at what price and who not. Never has such a choke-hold on the world economy been in the hands of one power. After occupation of Iraq it appears it is. "If the peak oil analysis is accurate, it suggests why Washington may be willing to risk so much to control Iraq and through its bases there, the five oil-rich countries. It suggests Washington is acting from a fundamental strategic weakness, not from absolute strength as is often thought. A full and open debate on the problem of peak energy is urgently needed." --part1_1e1.21fb981c.2decca69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2= 004/01/20040118.php

This is a very good summary of the geopolitical aspects of Iraq and Peak Oil= , from a Swiss online journal.  J. Brown

Excerpts:

"It is increasingly clear that the US occupation of Iraq is about control= of global oil resources. Control, however, in a situation where world oil s= upplies are far more limited than most of the world has been led to believe.= If the following is accurate, the Iraq war is but the first in a major batt= le over global
energy resources, a battle which will be more intense than any oil war to da= te. The stakes are highest. It is about fixing who will get how much oil for= their economy at what price and who not. Never has such a choke-hold on the= world economy been in the hands of one power. After occupation of Iraq it a= ppears it is.

"If the peak oil analysis is accurate, it suggests why Washington may be=20= willing to risk so much to control Iraq and through its bases there, the fiv= e oil-rich countries. It suggests Washington is acting from a fundamental st= rategic weakness, not from absolute strength as is often thought. A full and= open debate on the problem of peak energy is urgently needed."
 --part1_1e1.21fb981c.2decca69_boundary-- From bob@gemut.com Mon May 31 21:13:54 2004 From: bob@gemut.com (Bob Bestor) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 13:13:54 -0700 Subject: [Culturechat] Swiss Analysis of Iraq & Peak World Oil Production In-Reply-To: <1e1.21fb981c.2decca69@aol.com> References: <1e1.21fb981c.2decca69@aol.com> Message-ID: --============_-1126088059==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Swiss source or not, this isn't culture it's politics. >http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php > >This is a very good summary of the geopolitical=20 >aspects of Iraq and Peak Oil, from a Swiss=20 >online journal. J. Brown > >Excerpts: > >"It is increasingly clear that the US occupation=20 >of Iraq is about control of global oil=20 >resources. Control, however, in a situation=20 >where world oil supplies are far more limited=20 >than most of the world has been led to believe.=20 >If the following is accurate, the Iraq war is=20 >but the first in a major battle over global >energy resources, a battle which will be more=20 >intense than any oil war to date. The stakes are=20 >highest. It is about fixing who will get how=20 >much oil for their economy at what price and who=20 >not. Never has such a choke-hold on the world=20 >economy been in the hands of one power. After=20 >occupation of Iraq it appears it is. > >"If the peak oil analysis is accurate, it=20 >suggests why Washington may be willing to risk=20 >so much to control Iraq and through its bases=20 >there, the five oil-rich countries. It suggests=20 >Washington is acting from a fundamental=20 >strategic weakness, not from absolute strength=20 >as is often thought. A full and open debate on=20 >the problem of peak energy is urgently needed." -- Gem=FCtlichkeit, The Travel Letter for Germany, Austria & Switzerland 288 Ridge Road, Ashland OR 97520 Tel. 541-488-8462, Fax 541-488-8468 Email: travel@gemut.com, Web: http://www.gemut.com Can we give you quote on European Auto Rental, consolidator air tickets, or European Rail Passes? Try us at 800-521-6722 --============_-1126088059==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Culturechat] Swiss Analysis of Iraq & Peak World Oil
Swiss source or not, this isn't culture it's politics.

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php

This is a very good summary of the geopolitical aspects of Iraq and Peak Oil, from a Swiss online journal.  J. Brown

Excerpts:

"It is increasingly clear that the US occupation of Iraq is about control of global oil resources. Control, however, in a situation where world oil supplies are far more limited than most of the world has been led to believe. If the following is accurate, the Iraq war is but the first in a major battle over global
energy resources, a battle which will be more intense than any oil war to date. The stakes are highest. It is about fixing who will get how much oil for their economy at what price and who not. Never has such a choke-hold on the world economy been in the hands of one power. After occupation of Iraq it appears it is.

"If the peak oil analysis is accurate, it suggests why Washington may be willing to risk so much to control Iraq and through its bases there, the five oil-rich countries. It suggests Washington is acting from a fundamental strategic weakness, not from absolute strength as is often thought. A full and open debate on the problem of peak energy is urgently needed."


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288 Ridge Road, Ashland OR 97520
Tel. 541-488-8462, Fax 541-488-8468
Email: travel@gemut.com, Web: http://www.gemut.com

Can we give you quote on European Auto Rental,
consolidator air tickets, or European Rail Passes?
Try us at 800-521-6722
--============_-1126088059==_ma============-- From gigli.saw@dplanet.ch Mon May 31 21:24:26 2004 From: gigli.saw@dplanet.ch (Vance Roy) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:24:26 +0200 Subject: [Culturechat] Swiss Analysis of Iraq & Peak World Oil Production In-Reply-To: References: <1e1.21fb981c.2decca69@aol.com> Message-ID: <832CEFE9-B340-11D8-9DE9-0003936A3F2E@dplanet.ch> Who taught you that politics is not part of any culture? On 31.05.2004, at 22:13, Bob Bestor wrote: > Swiss source or not, this isn't culture it's politics. > > http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php > > This is a very good summary of the geopolitical aspects of Iraq and > Peak Oil, from a Swiss online journal.  J. Brown Vance Roy gigli.saw@dplanet.ch http://homepage.mac.com/fredch Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming WOW What a Ride! From bob@gemut.com Mon May 31 22:54:09 2004 From: bob@gemut.com (Bob Bestor) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:54:09 -0700 Subject: [Culturechat] Swiss Analysis of Iraq & Peak World Oil Production In-Reply-To: <832CEFE9-B340-11D8-9DE9-0003936A3F2E@dplanet.ch> References: <1e1.21fb981c.2decca69@aol.com> <832CEFE9-B340-11D8-9DE9-0003936A3F2E@dplanet.ch> Message-ID: Ah, but it's not about Swiss politics, it's about American politics; and as such clearly outside the purpose of this listserv, which, as laid down by its sponsor, Untours, is to "discuss cultural differences which have surprised or interested you in your travels" (for more see http://www.untours.com/idyllchat/culturechat.asp). Bob Bestor >Who taught you that politics is not part of any culture? > > >On 31.05.2004, at 22:13, Bob Bestor wrote: > >>Swiss source or not, this isn't culture it's politics. >> >>http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2004/01/20040118.php >> >> This is a very good summary of the >>geopolitical aspects of Iraq and Peak Oil, from >>a Swiss online journal. J. Brown > >Vance Roy >gigli.saw@dplanet.ch >http://homepage.mac.com/fredch > >Life is not a journey to the grave with the >intention of arriving safely in a pretty and >well preserved body, but rather to skid in >broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, >and loudly proclaiming > > WOW What a Ride! --