[Culturechat] War
Jan & Chuck Cobb
chuckrc@midplains.net
Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:56:38 -0600
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The Hudson's "cutsy" comment about people for war to volunteer is a =
perfect example of the shallow thinking going on around the world. =
Those of us who have experienced war know better. No right thinking =
person ever wished for war. It is a horrible thing. However, peace at =
any cost is worse. Peace is more than just the absence of war. If one =
is not free to pursue their dream, peace is also a prison. =20
We who support the administration's policy will not take to the streets =
to promote war. We do not want war! However, there seems to be no =
other honorable choice. Evil must be confronted. =20
The motives of France and Germany are questionable. After Iraq is =
settled, I believe we will find duplicity in their role in the Middle =
East. China and Russia want nothing more than to gain "face".
Protesters say "not in my name." Well, my name is Chuck, and the United =
States and our allies may use it. Our cause is right and just.=20
Chuck Cobb
----- Original Message -----=20
From: D. and R. Hudson=20
To: Ann Hartmann ; Vance Roy ; culturechat@untours.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Culturechat] War
To all those in favor of war. Please volunteer, either yourself or =
your loved ones. PUHleez!
R.Hudson
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ann Hartmann=20
To: Vance Roy ; culturechat@untours.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Culturechat] War
Vance,
No, you are not the only person who remembers Neville Chamberlain, =
but evidently most people who remember, would like to act as if they =
don't! The younger generations probably have no clue as to what you are =
referring to, and probably couldn't care less, but if we don't learn =
from past mistakes we're definitely doomed. I went to the Encyclopedia =
and looked up what was written about Chamberlain, and here it is.
"Chamberlain failed lamentably to cope with the aggressive policy of =
Hitler and Mussolini; and his technique of appeasement of the Axis =
powers, culminating in the Munich agreement of Sept. 29, 1938, has since =
been vigorously and universally condemned. In March 1939, when =
Chamberlain's confidence in "peace in our time" had been betrayed by the =
German occupation of what was left of Czechoslovakia after Munich, his =
government made an attempt to salvage British prestige by guaranteeing =
Polish territorial integrity. This measure, however, merely made =
inevitable, less than six months later, the participation of Great =
Britain in the conflict that developed rapidly from the German invasion =
of Poland into World War 11."
Because we did not go in at the beginning and finish it off then, =
many more of our young people were killed than needed to be. Nobody who =
is sane would want to go to war, but there are times when it is =
inevitable - especially when dealing with a mad man!
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Vance Roy" <gigli.saw@dplanet.ch>
To: <culturechat@untours.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: [Culturechat] War
> Am I the only person who remembers Neville Chamberlain?
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> http://gi.grolier.com/wwii/wwii_chamber.html
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> Vance Roy
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> http://homepage.mac.com/fredch
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Hudson's "cutsy" comment about =
people for war=20
to volunteer is a perfect example of the shallow thinking going on =
around the=20
world. Those of us who have experienced war know better. No =
right=20
thinking person ever wished for war. It is a horrible thing. =
However, peace at any cost is worse. Peace is more than just the =
absence=20
of war. If one is not free to pursue their dream, peace is also a=20
prison. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We who support the administration's =
policy will not=20
take to the streets to promote war. We do not want war! =
However,=20
there seems to be no other honorable choice. Evil must be=20
confronted. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The motives of France and Germany are=20
questionable. After Iraq is settled, I believe we will find =
duplicity in=20
their role in the Middle East. China and Russia want nothing more =
than to=20
gain "face".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Protesters say "not in my name." =
Well, my=20
name is Chuck, and the United States and our allies may use it. =
Our cause=20
is right and just. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chuck Cobb<BR></FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drodan@erols.com href=3D"mailto:rodan@erols.com">D. and R. =
Hudson</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dahartmann@mid-mo.net=20
href=3D"mailto:ahartmann@mid-mo.net">Ann Hartmann</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dgigli.saw@dplanet.ch =
href=3D"mailto:gigli.saw@dplanet.ch">Vance Roy</A> ;=20
<A title=3Dculturechat@untours.com=20
href=3D"mailto:culturechat@untours.com">culturechat@untours.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 15, =
2003 4:39=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Culturechat] =
War</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>To all those in favor of war. Please =
volunteer, either=20
yourself or your loved ones. PUHleez!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>R.Hudson</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dahartmann@mid-mo.net =
href=3D"mailto:ahartmann@mid-mo.net">Ann=20
Hartmann</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dgigli.saw@dplanet.ch=20
href=3D"mailto:gigli.saw@dplanet.ch">Vance Roy</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dculturechat@untours.com=20
href=3D"mailto:culturechat@untours.com">culturechat@untours.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 15, =
2003 4:38=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Culturechat] =
War</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vance,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No, you are </FONT><EM>not </EM>the =
only person=20
who remembers Neville Chamberlain, but evidently most people who =
remember,=20
would like to act as if they don't! The younger generations probably =
have no=20
clue as to what you are referring to, and probably couldn't care =
less, but=20
if we don't learn from past mistakes we're <EM>definitely</EM> =
doomed. I=20
went to the Encyclopedia and looked up what was written about =
Chamberlain,=20
and here it is.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Chamberlain failed lamentably to =
cope with the=20
aggressive policy of Hitler and Mussolini; and his technique of =
appeasement=20
of the Axis powers, culminating in the Munich agreement of Sept. 29, =
1938,=20
has since been vigorously and universally condemned. In March 1939, =
when=20
Chamberlain's confidence in "peace in our time" had been betrayed by =
the=20
German occupation of what was left of Czechoslovakia after Munich, =
his=20
government made an attempt to salvage British prestige by =
guaranteeing=20
Polish territorial integrity. This measure, however, merely made =
inevitable,=20
less than six months later, the participation of Great Britain in =
the=20
conflict that developed rapidly from the German invasion of Poland =
into=20
World War 11."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Because we did not go in at the =
beginning and=20
finish it off then, many more of our young people were killed than =
needed to=20
be. <EM>Nobody</EM> who is sane would want to go to war, but there =
are times=20
when it is inevitable - especially when dealing with a mad =
man!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Vance Roy" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:gigli.saw@dplanet.ch"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>gigli.saw@dplanet.ch</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:culturechat@untours.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>culturechat@untours.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 =
12:15=20
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: [Culturechat] =
War</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
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size=3D2>> Am I the only person who remembers Neville =
Chamberlain?<BR>>=20
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face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> Vance Roy<BR>> </FONT><A=20
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